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	<title>Comments on: Justin Bieber, Social Networks and How Numbers Can Lie</title>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/justin-bieber-social-networks-and-how-numbers-can-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-4084</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian,

Ooops!  I forgot to respond to your point about &quot;fitness.&quot;  I don&#039;t think it can be described as &quot;talent.&quot;  In fact, it is just a name given to a mathematical variable that neatly fits into Bose-Einstein statistics which happened to have extremely good explanatory power for networks and made a lot of sense conceptually.

Most likely, it is most related to meme fitness, which I wrote about recently: http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/marketing-memes/

I hope that&#039;s helpful.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian,</p>
<p>Ooops!  I forgot to respond to your point about &#8220;fitness.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think it can be described as &#8220;talent.&#8221;  In fact, it is just a name given to a mathematical variable that neatly fits into Bose-Einstein statistics which happened to have extremely good explanatory power for networks and made a lot of sense conceptually.</p>
<p>Most likely, it is most related to meme fitness, which I wrote about recently: <a href="http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/marketing-memes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/marketing-memes/</a></p>
<p>I hope that&#8217;s helpful.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/justin-bieber-social-networks-and-how-numbers-can-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-4078</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Thanks.  I&#039;m glad you liked it.  Best to your wife and Joe:-)

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Thanks.  I&#8217;m glad you liked it.  Best to your wife and Joe:-)</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/justin-bieber-social-networks-and-how-numbers-can-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-4077</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian,

Thanks.  To be honest, I don&#039;t remember where I got that figure from.  Usually I provide a link, but I didn&#039;t with that one for some reason.

In any case, it&#039;s been widely cited, here for instance: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/jun/29/twitter-users-average-api-traffic

Thanks again for your comment.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian,</p>
<p>Thanks.  To be honest, I don&#8217;t remember where I got that figure from.  Usually I provide a link, but I didn&#8217;t with that one for some reason.</p>
<p>In any case, it&#8217;s been widely cited, here for instance: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/jun/29/twitter-users-average-api-traffic" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/jun/29/twitter-users-average-api-traffic</a></p>
<p>Thanks again for your comment.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: steve olenski</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/justin-bieber-social-networks-and-how-numbers-can-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-4076</link>
		<dc:creator>steve olenski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am many things for sure... 

Opinionated. Loud. Very Loud. Coffee-addict. Did I mention loud? Creative. Writer. Idea instigator.

One thing I am not and NEVER will be is a &quot;numbers guy.&quot;

It&#039;s that whole right side/left side brain thing. It&#039;s one of the reasons I married a former bookkeeper. That and she&#039;s pretty damn amazing and way too beautiful for a slug like me... but I digress.

Folks like you Greg (and my brother Joe) always impressed the hell out of me.  How you can make sense out of stats, numbers, charts and so on... I will never understand. I am simply not wired that way.

I do appreciate you taking the time to explain so even a dolt like me can understand. 

Steve O</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am many things for sure&#8230; </p>
<p>Opinionated. Loud. Very Loud. Coffee-addict. Did I mention loud? Creative. Writer. Idea instigator.</p>
<p>One thing I am not and NEVER will be is a &#8220;numbers guy.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s that whole right side/left side brain thing. It&#8217;s one of the reasons I married a former bookkeeper. That and she&#8217;s pretty damn amazing and way too beautiful for a slug like me&#8230; but I digress.</p>
<p>Folks like you Greg (and my brother Joe) always impressed the hell out of me.  How you can make sense out of stats, numbers, charts and so on&#8230; I will never understand. I am simply not wired that way.</p>
<p>I do appreciate you taking the time to explain so even a dolt like me can understand. </p>
<p>Steve O<br />
<span class="cluv">steve olenski´s last [type] ..<a class="944e235d16 4076" rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.fmidm.com/index.php/2010/08/09/from-person-to-person/">From Person To Person…</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Goodsell</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/justin-bieber-social-networks-and-how-numbers-can-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-4075</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Goodsell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg

Firstly, great post. 

I&#039;m certainly not in Master Bieber&#039;s target demographic and must confess that as a result I haven&#039;t scratched beneath the surface of the ever-present social media phenomenon that is &#039;Biebermania&#039;. There are some really interesting learnings here. 

The point about fitness resonated with me and I agree with it entirely. Are we meant, then, to assume that Bieber&#039;s fitness as a node is a consequence of talent? ;)

Also, interested to know where the 126 followers average (on Twitter) figure came from?

Keep up the good work,
Adrian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg</p>
<p>Firstly, great post. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly not in Master Bieber&#8217;s target demographic and must confess that as a result I haven&#8217;t scratched beneath the surface of the ever-present social media phenomenon that is &#8216;Biebermania&#8217;. There are some really interesting learnings here. </p>
<p>The point about fitness resonated with me and I agree with it entirely. Are we meant, then, to assume that Bieber&#8217;s fitness as a node is a consequence of talent? <img src='http://www.digitaltonto.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, interested to know where the 126 followers average (on Twitter) figure came from?</p>
<p>Keep up the good work,<br />
Adrian</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/justin-bieber-social-networks-and-how-numbers-can-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-4064</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Terrence.  Have a great week!

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Terrence.  Have a great week!</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Terrence Gargiulo</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/justin-bieber-social-networks-and-how-numbers-can-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-4061</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrence Gargiulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 17:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super post Greg!! My statistic muscles are weak and dusty - you&#039;ve done a great job of jarring my perspective in a fun and engaging way. Thanks.

Take care,
Terrence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super post Greg!! My statistic muscles are weak and dusty &#8211; you&#8217;ve done a great job of jarring my perspective in a fun and engaging way. Thanks.</p>
<p>Take care,<br />
Terrence</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/justin-bieber-social-networks-and-how-numbers-can-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-4052</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 04:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip, John.

Have a great week.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip, John.</p>
<p>Have a great week.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: John Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/justin-bieber-social-networks-and-how-numbers-can-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-4051</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone still think this is a &quot;normal world?&quot; ;-)

Normal distribution models are irrelevant in any large scale networked system.

The mathematical model for social networks (and a staggering number of natural and man-made phenomena) is power law.  Specifically, here&#039;s an article by Clay Shirky from seven years ago describing the inevitability of &quot;Justin Bieber&#039;s.&quot;

http://www.shirky.com/writings/powerlaw_weblog.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone still think this is a &#8220;normal world?&#8221; <img src='http://www.digitaltonto.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Normal distribution models are irrelevant in any large scale networked system.</p>
<p>The mathematical model for social networks (and a staggering number of natural and man-made phenomena) is power law.  Specifically, here&#8217;s an article by Clay Shirky from seven years ago describing the inevitability of &#8220;Justin Bieber&#8217;s.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shirky.com/writings/powerlaw_weblog.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.shirky.com/writings/powerlaw_weblog.html</a><br />
<span class="cluv">John Rich´s last [type] ..<a class="6a53f82763 4051" rel="nofollow" href="http://digitalthinking.posterous.com/paywalls-do-work-the-times-loses-almost-90-of">Paywalls do work- The Times loses almost 90 of online readers</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a statistics graduate, it&#039;s all about how you read them. i realize one can make numbers say whatever you want them too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a statistics graduate, it&#8217;s all about how you read them. i realize one can make numbers say whatever you want them too&#8230;</p>
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