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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/how-traditional-media-can-make-the-transition-to-digital-successfully/comment-page-1/#comment-3176</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>simon,

I agree with all of your points but , respectfully, I think they address different issues than the post.  

The post was about why most traditional media companies do so poorly relative to pure digital companies.  They have a huge advantage in that they know how to develop content and manage creative people, but very few actually have competent web divisions.

I agree that the reason that digital spend isn&#039;t higher is because it is unproven beyond direct response.  This is a major oversight on the part of digital people who keep harping on about how clients don&#039;t get it, but will come around some day.&quot;  Advertisers look for media to fit their brief, they don&#039;t fit their brief to media offers.

Thanks for your comment.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>simon,</p>
<p>I agree with all of your points but , respectfully, I think they address different issues than the post.  </p>
<p>The post was about why most traditional media companies do so poorly relative to pure digital companies.  They have a huge advantage in that they know how to develop content and manage creative people, but very few actually have competent web divisions.</p>
<p>I agree that the reason that digital spend isn&#8217;t higher is because it is unproven beyond direct response.  This is a major oversight on the part of digital people who keep harping on about how clients don&#8217;t get it, but will come around some day.&#8221;  Advertisers look for media to fit their brief, they don&#8217;t fit their brief to media offers.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Elkin</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/how-traditional-media-can-make-the-transition-to-digital-successfully/comment-page-1/#comment-3175</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Elkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg:  These are all great points but I believe the transition is in fact following the value of  digital media advertsing solutions quite closely.  I don&#039;t really think that anyone in the media buying or brand marketing business is really still subscribing to those myths, although sure, they use them as gates when vetting certain campaign spends.  If a brand could directly associate a digital campaign spend with product sales, and it could be proven that the digital spend was more efficent and effective than the traditional spend, you would see the &quot;transition&quot; happen overnight. I believe the business in gerneal is spends too much time on innovation to prove its relevance to advertising and not enough time demonstrating that digital media campaigns sell things, how much, and how much in the context of the other places you could spend you money.  Content choices and innovation are shifting eyeballs obviously, and if that&#039;s how you buy, digital media will benefit with gradual revenue increases.  The transition to parity in terms a comparison to traditional media (pre-2000), will happen when the digital campaigns have advertising value and impact beyond how many uniques your plan is delivering.  &quot;Build it and they will come&quot;- No.  &quot;Prove it and they will come&quot; - Yes.

Cheers,
Simon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg:  These are all great points but I believe the transition is in fact following the value of  digital media advertsing solutions quite closely.  I don&#8217;t really think that anyone in the media buying or brand marketing business is really still subscribing to those myths, although sure, they use them as gates when vetting certain campaign spends.  If a brand could directly associate a digital campaign spend with product sales, and it could be proven that the digital spend was more efficent and effective than the traditional spend, you would see the &#8220;transition&#8221; happen overnight. I believe the business in gerneal is spends too much time on innovation to prove its relevance to advertising and not enough time demonstrating that digital media campaigns sell things, how much, and how much in the context of the other places you could spend you money.  Content choices and innovation are shifting eyeballs obviously, and if that&#8217;s how you buy, digital media will benefit with gradual revenue increases.  The transition to parity in terms a comparison to traditional media (pre-2000), will happen when the digital campaigns have advertising value and impact beyond how many uniques your plan is delivering.  &#8220;Build it and they will come&#8221;- No.  &#8220;Prove it and they will come&#8221; &#8211; Yes.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Simon</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh,

Yes.  I&#039;ve heard that it&#039;s been tough for trade titles, unfortunately.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh,</p>
<p>Yes.  I&#8217;ve heard that it&#8217;s been tough for trade titles, unfortunately.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Willett</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/how-traditional-media-can-make-the-transition-to-digital-successfully/comment-page-1/#comment-2992</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh Willett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

The technology trade business was certainly set up for the fall it took after 2000. The .com bubble had pumped up the page count artificially, and at the same time overhead, personell etc. When the .com bubble crashed the technology trade publishing business imploded at the very same time it should have been expanding to meet the new digital opportunities. 

By 2000 he trade press had degenerated into a place for technology companies to pump up their stock with continual flow of press releases. Some of our biggest former ad customers, themselves technology businesses, became our biggest competitors when they realized they could distribute press releases themselves on the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>The technology trade business was certainly set up for the fall it took after 2000. The .com bubble had pumped up the page count artificially, and at the same time overhead, personell etc. When the .com bubble crashed the technology trade publishing business imploded at the very same time it should have been expanding to meet the new digital opportunities. </p>
<p>By 2000 he trade press had degenerated into a place for technology companies to pump up their stock with continual flow of press releases. Some of our biggest former ad customers, themselves technology businesses, became our biggest competitors when they realized they could distribute press releases themselves on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/how-traditional-media-can-make-the-transition-to-digital-successfully/comment-page-1/#comment-2988</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh,

Thanks for your comment.

Ironically, the last decade has been great for most of print (except  for Newspapers and, it would seem, trade publishing).

Magazine brands with niche audiences can adapt well to the web and advertisers still are willing to invest heavily.  Moreover, investing in web is, in truth, not a heavy financial investment.  It&#039;s much cheaper to launch a web site than it is to launch a new print brand.

Some tradiitional publishers, like &lt;em&gt;The Atlantic&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Conde Nast&lt;/em&gt;, understand this and are putting together great print/digital businesses.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>Ironically, the last decade has been great for most of print (except  for Newspapers and, it would seem, trade publishing).</p>
<p>Magazine brands with niche audiences can adapt well to the web and advertisers still are willing to invest heavily.  Moreover, investing in web is, in truth, not a heavy financial investment.  It&#8217;s much cheaper to launch a web site than it is to launch a new print brand.</p>
<p>Some tradiitional publishers, like <em>The Atlantic</em> and <em>Conde Nast</em>, understand this and are putting together great print/digital businesses.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Willett</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/how-traditional-media-can-make-the-transition-to-digital-successfully/comment-page-1/#comment-2987</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh Willett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked in technology publishing in Silicon Valley during the &#039;80s and the &#039;90s for large publishing companies. We were certainly aware of the digital revolution and reported it&#039;s expansion weekly. Our readers, mostly with degrees in software, engineering or business, were certainly the earliest adopters of the internet.

The earliest reactions were to copy print products in limited capacity to meet reader requests. The industry was still in a defense mode and we debated the so called &quot;death of print&quot; the way scientists debate the next ice age or a comet hitting the earth. Some said it could happen tomorrow, some said it would take fifty years, others said it was so unlikely that we should not spend precious resources until we were certain what was happening. 

The allocation of such resources was a major question. Print publishing has been under heavy economic pressure since long before people were talking about digital media.  The question was, do we consolidate our position in print, the only model that could produce significant return on investment, or put more of those scarce resources into digital products that were still evolving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked in technology publishing in Silicon Valley during the &#8217;80s and the &#8217;90s for large publishing companies. We were certainly aware of the digital revolution and reported it&#8217;s expansion weekly. Our readers, mostly with degrees in software, engineering or business, were certainly the earliest adopters of the internet.</p>
<p>The earliest reactions were to copy print products in limited capacity to meet reader requests. The industry was still in a defense mode and we debated the so called &#8220;death of print&#8221; the way scientists debate the next ice age or a comet hitting the earth. Some said it could happen tomorrow, some said it would take fifty years, others said it was so unlikely that we should not spend precious resources until we were certain what was happening. </p>
<p>The allocation of such resources was a major question. Print publishing has been under heavy economic pressure since long before people were talking about digital media.  The question was, do we consolidate our position in print, the only model that could produce significant return on investment, or put more of those scarce resources into digital products that were still evolving.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

I&#039;ve been there so I know.

One thing that I wouldn&#039;t underestimate is the issue with standards and interfaces.  People in traditional media are used to having everything work together very well.  In Digital, on the other hand, standards (especially between departments) are almost nonexistent, so people need to work across disciplines much more closely than before.

This is especially true of creative people, who are used to being able to ignore other departments and mostly concentrate on the product, but now have to collaborate with web development, marketing and sales to get the product right.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been there so I know.</p>
<p>One thing that I wouldn&#8217;t underestimate is the issue with standards and interfaces.  People in traditional media are used to having everything work together very well.  In Digital, on the other hand, standards (especially between departments) are almost nonexistent, so people need to work across disciplines much more closely than before.</p>
<p>This is especially true of creative people, who are used to being able to ignore other departments and mostly concentrate on the product, but now have to collaborate with web development, marketing and sales to get the product right.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Kastelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Kastelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Greg.  I&#039;m doing some consulting with a media company right now and I can tell you that all three of your myths are definitely myths with regard to this firm.  The biggest problem is the structural rigidity (and sunk costs) - which appear to be almost impossible to overcome.  I hope that they can, because I like the firm.  But it&#039;s amazing to see just how strong the path dependence is...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Greg.  I&#8217;m doing some consulting with a media company right now and I can tell you that all three of your myths are definitely myths with regard to this firm.  The biggest problem is the structural rigidity (and sunk costs) &#8211; which appear to be almost impossible to overcome.  I hope that they can, because I like the firm.  But it&#8217;s amazing to see just how strong the path dependence is&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dima,

It&#039;s an excellent point, although digital video still has metrics problems, especially with psychographics.

In any case, you&#039;re absolutely right.  Digital information lends itself to media mix evaluation much better than analog and atomized media do.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dima,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an excellent point, although digital video still has metrics problems, especially with psychographics.</p>
<p>In any case, you&#8217;re absolutely right.  Digital information lends itself to media mix evaluation much better than analog and atomized media do.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Dmytro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmytro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one more point to view on digital transition.  While moving to digital it&#039;s crucial to see other opportunities that are not content production. On the web content goes along with services and integration and it&#039;s not the thing that were common in TV or Press.
Digital incarnations of traditional media will compete with services such as mail, search, social networks and others. And this competition is not the same as TV vs Press. In digital world there are the same metrics for (mostly) any kind of activity. There is no gaps such as between TV and press.
So traditional media have to provide their digital products with some new features and put these features in business models to survive.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one more point to view on digital transition.  While moving to digital it&#8217;s crucial to see other opportunities that are not content production. On the web content goes along with services and integration and it&#8217;s not the thing that were common in TV or Press.<br />
Digital incarnations of traditional media will compete with services such as mail, search, social networks and others. And this competition is not the same as TV vs Press. In digital world there are the same metrics for (mostly) any kind of activity. There is no gaps such as between TV and press.<br />
So traditional media have to provide their digital products with some new features and put these features in business models to survive.<br />
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