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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/4-roi-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-3026</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

I&#039;m not sure your logic is quite right.  Just because long term benefits exist doesn&#039;t mean that you have to sit around waiting for it to work. 

For instance, you don&#039;t expect to get all your money out of a computer the first day.  You expect to use it every day for years.  The long term doesn&#039;t steal from the short tern, it augments it.

Moreover, if speed was the only consideration, advertisers would buy only TV and no direct advertising.  It&#039;s the fastest way to build coverage and see immediate results.

However, in the final analysis it&#039;s how everything works together that&#039;s important.  The media multiplier is well documented and extremely powerful.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure your logic is quite right.  Just because long term benefits exist doesn&#8217;t mean that you have to sit around waiting for it to work. </p>
<p>For instance, you don&#8217;t expect to get all your money out of a computer the first day.  You expect to use it every day for years.  The long term doesn&#8217;t steal from the short tern, it augments it.</p>
<p>Moreover, if speed was the only consideration, advertisers would buy only TV and no direct advertising.  It&#8217;s the fastest way to build coverage and see immediate results.</p>
<p>However, in the final analysis it&#8217;s how everything works together that&#8217;s important.  The media multiplier is well documented and extremely powerful.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Garnett</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/4-roi-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-3023</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Garnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This gives me a better way, perhaps, to discuss the challenge that my more entrepreneurial clients face with agencies that only offer traditional brand approaches to them.

Essentially, it takes long-term financial stability before a company can afford to wait for a future return on 2/3 of their spending. What I find with new &amp; growing businesses is that agencies don&#039;t have the business planning savvy to separate two categories:

- The company for whom investing in a long term return is the best use of advertising money.
- The company who must see more immediate return from their advertising dollar.

In the first case, traditional brand advertising may be their best option. In the second case, traditional brand advertising may well put the company out of business.

Does anyone know of research showing when/in what situations it is a higher return to wait for the long-term 2/3&#039;s and in which situations planning for the future 2/3&#039;s is less financially effective in the long term even if you can afford it? (Wow, that&#039;s a convoluted question. Probably someone knows how to articulate it better than I.)

Guess what I mean is that logically, merely because you CAN afford the investment in the long term doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that the long term return on the money is the BEST place for that money. This seems to depend on your specific circumstances.

...Doug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This gives me a better way, perhaps, to discuss the challenge that my more entrepreneurial clients face with agencies that only offer traditional brand approaches to them.</p>
<p>Essentially, it takes long-term financial stability before a company can afford to wait for a future return on 2/3 of their spending. What I find with new &amp; growing businesses is that agencies don&#8217;t have the business planning savvy to separate two categories:</p>
<p>- The company for whom investing in a long term return is the best use of advertising money.<br />
- The company who must see more immediate return from their advertising dollar.</p>
<p>In the first case, traditional brand advertising may be their best option. In the second case, traditional brand advertising may well put the company out of business.</p>
<p>Does anyone know of research showing when/in what situations it is a higher return to wait for the long-term 2/3&#8242;s and in which situations planning for the future 2/3&#8242;s is less financially effective in the long term even if you can afford it? (Wow, that&#8217;s a convoluted question. Probably someone knows how to articulate it better than I.)</p>
<p>Guess what I mean is that logically, merely because you CAN afford the investment in the long term doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that the long term return on the money is the BEST place for that money. This seems to depend on your specific circumstances.</p>
<p>&#8230;Doug</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Thanks.  I&#039;m glad you liked it.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Thanks.  I&#8217;m glad you liked it.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Burris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Burris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meaningful measurements depend upon one&#039;s business model and it&#039;s &quot;most wanted response&quot; but i sure like your insight ... Marketing Science Institute shows, two thirds of return on brand investment shows up in long term performance. That doesn’t make the return any less real, just less immediate.

Keep up the good info Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meaningful measurements depend upon one&#8217;s business model and it&#8217;s &#8220;most wanted response&#8221; but i sure like your insight &#8230; Marketing Science Institute shows, two thirds of return on brand investment shows up in long term performance. That doesn’t make the return any less real, just less immediate.</p>
<p>Keep up the good info Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carla,

Absolutely!  Thanks for commenting.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carla,</p>
<p>Absolutely!  Thanks for commenting.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Carla Joye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla Joye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROI should be measured in terms of customer lifetime value and not against individual campaigns or channels.  In order for this to happen, marketing must be looked at as a strategy with specific business goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROI should be measured in terms of customer lifetime value and not against individual campaigns or channels.  In order for this to happen, marketing must be looked at as a strategy with specific business goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Thank you!  

btw.  I also agree with your assessment of math skills in the industry.  Even major global networks that have econometric divisions don&#039;t integrate the skills very well.  It&#039;s a big problem.. I wrote another &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/the-unfinished-marketing-revolution/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post &lt;/a&gt;about it if you&#039;re interested.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Thank you!  </p>
<p>btw.  I also agree with your assessment of math skills in the industry.  Even major global networks that have econometric divisions don&#8217;t integrate the skills very well.  It&#8217;s a big problem.. I wrote another <a href="http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/the-unfinished-marketing-revolution/" rel="nofollow">post </a>about it if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Garnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Garnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between &quot;can be&quot; evaluated and &quot;is&quot; evaluated is perhaps the real challenge. 

In large part, the training to become an ad professional is, um, not ideal for learning to do analysis with numbers. Hence, I don&#039;t find that it&#039;s often done. (Says the unusual ad guy with a master&#039;s in math.)

To your point, the companies who realistically project future value find they use their ad money with MUCH higher impact.

Thanks for the great ideas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between &#8220;can be&#8221; evaluated and &#8220;is&#8221; evaluated is perhaps the real challenge. </p>
<p>In large part, the training to become an ad professional is, um, not ideal for learning to do analysis with numbers. Hence, I don&#8217;t find that it&#8217;s often done. (Says the unusual ad guy with a master&#8217;s in math.)</p>
<p>To your point, the companies who realistically project future value find they use their ad money with MUCH higher impact.</p>
<p>Thanks for the great ideas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Thanks.  I agree that many people use the idea of future payoff as an excuse, but that too can be evaluated.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Thanks.  I agree that many people use the idea of future payoff as an excuse, but that too can be evaluated.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Garnett</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2010/4-roi-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-2751</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Garnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solid list and some superb posts. Timely because I just posted a question on a board looking for differing ideas about how we help clients understand the difference between &quot;Response&quot; and &quot;ROI&quot;.  

Not in agreement on &quot;2/3 of brand impact is in the future&quot;. That idea (even if true for some cases) is too often the excuse offered by people who&#039;ve created ineffective advertising.

So, I&#039;d suggest that, as you suggest about how to calculate ROI, the potential future value of brand activity depends on your company, your needs, and your products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solid list and some superb posts. Timely because I just posted a question on a board looking for differing ideas about how we help clients understand the difference between &#8220;Response&#8221; and &#8220;ROI&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Not in agreement on &#8220;2/3 of brand impact is in the future&#8221;. That idea (even if true for some cases) is too often the excuse offered by people who&#8217;ve created ineffective advertising.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;d suggest that, as you suggest about how to calculate ROI, the potential future value of brand activity depends on your company, your needs, and your products.</p>
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