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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2009/sorry-rupert-content-will-remain-free/comment-page-1/#comment-3109</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bradt,

Your points are well taken.  However, I do not believe that Murdoch is dumb.  I do however, believe he is disingenuous. 

The WSJ was a &quot;leaky wall&quot; long before he came along and, I think it&#039;s clear that it&#039;s one of the few products that can succeed that way.  

Moreover, his point isn&#039;t that people are copying his stories without attribution, but that links are being aggregated - a position that would be ridiculous on its face even if he did not do the same himself.  Finally, if he really believed in his case, he would switch ALL of News Corp&#039;s publication to a paid model, something he has no plans to do.

What&#039;s annoying is that he cloaks himself in a stupid argument about journalistic integrity (again - ridiculous on its face given the source).

Web news businesses can be quite profitable (I should know, I&#039;ve run one), but whining won&#039;t do the job.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bradt,</p>
<p>Your points are well taken.  However, I do not believe that Murdoch is dumb.  I do however, believe he is disingenuous. </p>
<p>The WSJ was a &#8220;leaky wall&#8221; long before he came along and, I think it&#8217;s clear that it&#8217;s one of the few products that can succeed that way.  </p>
<p>Moreover, his point isn&#8217;t that people are copying his stories without attribution, but that links are being aggregated &#8211; a position that would be ridiculous on its face even if he did not do the same himself.  Finally, if he really believed in his case, he would switch ALL of News Corp&#8217;s publication to a paid model, something he has no plans to do.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s annoying is that he cloaks himself in a stupid argument about journalistic integrity (again &#8211; ridiculous on its face given the source).</p>
<p>Web news businesses can be quite profitable (I should know, I&#8217;ve run one), but whining won&#8217;t do the job.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Brandt Dainow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandt Dainow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked as a technical advisor for lawyers for Times Online where they have sued newspapers in other countries for copying their material.  I can&#039;t name them for legal reasons, but the Times lost most of those cases because you have to prove &lt;I&gt;intentional&lt;/I&gt; theft of the material directly from the original Times Online site, and that the material was read in a country with reciprocal copywrite arrangements with the UK.  For example, if the material is republished in China or Indonesia, there&#039;s almost nothing you can do.

The reason Murdoch&#039;s idea is dumb is that it&#039;s unworkable.  All it does is create a niche which will be filled by unreachable companies stealing and reprinting the &quot;subscription&quot; material.  Murdoch simply can&#039;t protect his content - technically or legally.  

It shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the web, and a desire to impose out-dated business models on it.  Advertising may, or may not, support online newspapers - time will tell.  But the root of the problem is the cost of content production in old-world newspapers, which is geared around a heirachical reporting structure organised for daily or weekly publication, and employing highly trained writers at considerable cost, while also maintaining a vast printing operation.  Online video has shown that people are often happy to sacrifice quality for availability or immediacy.  I can&#039;t pretend to have a solution, but the structure of 20th century news organisations looks inappropriate to the web to me.  We all know there&#039;s a better solution, just no one has thought of it yet.  The person who does will be the first Rupert Murdoch of the 21st Century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked as a technical advisor for lawyers for Times Online where they have sued newspapers in other countries for copying their material.  I can&#8217;t name them for legal reasons, but the Times lost most of those cases because you have to prove <i>intentional</i> theft of the material directly from the original Times Online site, and that the material was read in a country with reciprocal copywrite arrangements with the UK.  For example, if the material is republished in China or Indonesia, there&#8217;s almost nothing you can do.</p>
<p>The reason Murdoch&#8217;s idea is dumb is that it&#8217;s unworkable.  All it does is create a niche which will be filled by unreachable companies stealing and reprinting the &#8220;subscription&#8221; material.  Murdoch simply can&#8217;t protect his content &#8211; technically or legally.  </p>
<p>It shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the web, and a desire to impose out-dated business models on it.  Advertising may, or may not, support online newspapers &#8211; time will tell.  But the root of the problem is the cost of content production in old-world newspapers, which is geared around a heirachical reporting structure organised for daily or weekly publication, and employing highly trained writers at considerable cost, while also maintaining a vast printing operation.  Online video has shown that people are often happy to sacrifice quality for availability or immediacy.  I can&#8217;t pretend to have a solution, but the structure of 20th century news organisations looks inappropriate to the web to me.  We all know there&#8217;s a better solution, just no one has thought of it yet.  The person who does will be the first Rupert Murdoch of the 21st Century.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie,

I guess we&#039;ll see, but 10 million pounds is peanuts if that&#039;s what they&#039;re shooting for, they will certainly fail.

Paid models work for a small fraction of media, which is how the advertising model got to be so popular in the first place (the vast majority of newspapers and magazines lose money on distribution).  Meanwhile there are plenty of sites who make serious money without paid content so unless you are offering something truly unique, people won&#039;t pay.


- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie,</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ll see, but 10 million pounds is peanuts if that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re shooting for, they will certainly fail.</p>
<p>Paid models work for a small fraction of media, which is how the advertising model got to be so popular in the first place (the vast majority of newspapers and magazines lose money on distribution).  Meanwhile there are plenty of sites who make serious money without paid content so unless you are offering something truly unique, people won&#8217;t pay.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got sent this and thought that it followed my view quite closely:

Times paywall makes a lot of sense to me 
Tue, 30 Mar 2010 &#124; By Suzanne Bearne 

It seems silly that people keep banging on that The Times will see a dramatic 
fall in online readers when it brings in its paywall in June. Of course it will. 
But with online advertising in its current form not bringing in significant 
revenues, why can’t we champion News International for being so brave? 
I’m not expecting every single publisher to follow suit, and of course News 
International needs to offer a slicker and worthwhile experience for the money, 
in terms of usability and content. But this model has been thought through for 
months by commercial chief Katie Vanneck’s customer direct division. This isn’t 
a spur of the moment, ill-thought-out decision. There’s intelligent rationale 
behind it. 

First, News International is well aware the bulk of users will depart. But 
actually, who cares? With an increasing number of publishers talking about how 
people who dip in and out of a site are becoming less valuable to them, 
perhaps this decision is on cue. 

The remaining users who love the brand – perhaps up to 5% of Times Online 
traffic – will become its bread and butter. Remember, newspapers don’t gather 
the millions of people in circulation their online operatoins boast but they 
attract a regu4lar, loyal readership. 
So this loyal online userbase will be worth a substantial amount. They’ll have 
provided more personal details which can be used to target them with more 
relevant ads and offers. 

And the site will still get some extra traffic from the free-to-access home page. 
I think News International spot on with its pricing model too. Currently 20m 
unique users access Times Online. Even if this drops to 100,000 subscribers 
paying £2 a week, that’s revenue of £10.4m a year, excluding advertising. 
However, I would have preferred a similar model to The Financial Times, which 
teases users to sign up by allowing free access to a small number of articles a 
month. 

This is a space we’ll all be watching with interest. If such a model turns out to 
be a success for News International, it could have a domino effect on its rivals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got sent this and thought that it followed my view quite closely:</p>
<p>Times paywall makes a lot of sense to me<br />
Tue, 30 Mar 2010 | By Suzanne Bearne </p>
<p>It seems silly that people keep banging on that The Times will see a dramatic<br />
fall in online readers when it brings in its paywall in June. Of course it will.<br />
But with online advertising in its current form not bringing in significant<br />
revenues, why can’t we champion News International for being so brave?<br />
I’m not expecting every single publisher to follow suit, and of course News<br />
International needs to offer a slicker and worthwhile experience for the money,<br />
in terms of usability and content. But this model has been thought through for<br />
months by commercial chief Katie Vanneck’s customer direct division. This isn’t<br />
a spur of the moment, ill-thought-out decision. There’s intelligent rationale<br />
behind it. </p>
<p>First, News International is well aware the bulk of users will depart. But<br />
actually, who cares? With an increasing number of publishers talking about how<br />
people who dip in and out of a site are becoming less valuable to them,<br />
perhaps this decision is on cue. </p>
<p>The remaining users who love the brand – perhaps up to 5% of Times Online<br />
traffic – will become its bread and butter. Remember, newspapers don’t gather<br />
the millions of people in circulation their online operatoins boast but they<br />
attract a regu4lar, loyal readership.<br />
So this loyal online userbase will be worth a substantial amount. They’ll have<br />
provided more personal details which can be used to target them with more<br />
relevant ads and offers. </p>
<p>And the site will still get some extra traffic from the free-to-access home page.<br />
I think News International spot on with its pricing model too. Currently 20m<br />
unique users access Times Online. Even if this drops to 100,000 subscribers<br />
paying £2 a week, that’s revenue of £10.4m a year, excluding advertising.<br />
However, I would have preferred a similar model to The Financial Times, which<br />
teases users to sign up by allowing free access to a small number of articles a<br />
month. </p>
<p>This is a space we’ll all be watching with interest. If such a model turns out to<br />
be a success for News International, it could have a domino effect on its rivals.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lalit,

Thank you for you comment.  Although, it should be pointed out that Wikipedia has always been a non profit organization and therefore has always relied on the generosity of users.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lalit,</p>
<p>Thank you for you comment.  Although, it should be pointed out that Wikipedia has always been a non profit organization and therefore has always relied on the generosity of users.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Lalit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lalit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, you have valid point. The prime issue is not if the content is free or not, the prime issue is ability of content provider having a billing relationship with consumers. Any business which grows exponentially without any billing relationship with end consumer can also fall rapidly.

Wikipedia is under huge stress and the fact that it got bailed out by consumer generosity cannot be successful business model.

Regards, Lalit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, you have valid point. The prime issue is not if the content is free or not, the prime issue is ability of content provider having a billing relationship with consumers. Any business which grows exponentially without any billing relationship with end consumer can also fall rapidly.</p>
<p>Wikipedia is under huge stress and the fact that it got bailed out by consumer generosity cannot be successful business model.</p>
<p>Regards, Lalit</p>
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		<title>By: webbbbbbbbbbbb</title>
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		<dc:creator>webbbbbbbbbbbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drudge never hits the sponsored areas, that spike goes to an unforeseeable-hit newspaper story and the hordes deliver $100 in revenue to the news site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drudge never hits the sponsored areas, that spike goes to an unforeseeable-hit newspaper story and the hordes deliver $100 in revenue to the news site.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, successful sites can charge up to $100 CPM&#039;s for high demand areas.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, successful sites can charge up to $100 CPM&#8217;s for high demand areas.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: webbbbbbbbbbbb</title>
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		<dc:creator>webbbbbbbbbbbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that Web ads are so CHEAP compared to print ads: 75 cents per thousand views for &quot;remnant ads&quot; -- those not purchased by a sponsor of a homepage or section. Compare that to the thousands of dollars a single display ad in print brings.

Charging is about protecting the newspaper which is still the only revenue source capable of funding the expensive newsroom and news-gathering process.

A metro daily&#039;s biggest competitor is its own free Web site.

I don&#039;t think walled pay content is the way to go.  I don&#039;t know any way to increase revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that Web ads are so CHEAP compared to print ads: 75 cents per thousand views for &#8220;remnant ads&#8221; &#8212; those not purchased by a sponsor of a homepage or section. Compare that to the thousands of dollars a single display ad in print brings.</p>
<p>Charging is about protecting the newspaper which is still the only revenue source capable of funding the expensive newsroom and news-gathering process.</p>
<p>A metro daily&#8217;s biggest competitor is its own free Web site.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think walled pay content is the way to go.  I don&#8217;t know any way to increase revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Keir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that!
Happy Christmas to you too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that!<br />
Happy Christmas to you too.</p>
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