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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2009/consultant-confused-apes/comment-page-1/#comment-1029</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice:-))  I&#039;m glad you found it helpful.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice:-))  I&#8217;m glad you found it helpful.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Edree</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2009/consultant-confused-apes/comment-page-1/#comment-1025</link>
		<dc:creator>Edree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

I woke up this morning feeling confused about my work with a new client.  I am pondering about how to best serve them under complex circumstances--how to bring my experience and knowledge to their situation and what else do I need to learn in order to bring them my very best.

Then you helped me redefine my self as a consultant.  Confusion is a great platform for learning...and I am a primate.  My only concern is that I don&#039;t become self righteous in my newly realized status as a C.A. and begin looking down on all the experts and gurus.  :)

Edree</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>I woke up this morning feeling confused about my work with a new client.  I am pondering about how to best serve them under complex circumstances&#8211;how to bring my experience and knowledge to their situation and what else do I need to learn in order to bring them my very best.</p>
<p>Then you helped me redefine my self as a consultant.  Confusion is a great platform for learning&#8230;and I am a primate.  My only concern is that I don&#8217;t become self righteous in my newly realized status as a C.A. and begin looking down on all the experts and gurus.  <img src='http://www.digitaltonto.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Edree</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,

Yes, I read it.  Although his previous book &quot;Fooled by Randomness&quot; is a bit better.  He kind of drolls on in &quot;Black Swan.&quot;

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>Yes, I read it.  Although his previous book &#8220;Fooled by Randomness&#8221; is a bit better.  He kind of drolls on in &#8220;Black Swan.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;d enjoy &quot;The Black Swan&quot; by Nassim Taleb. A little self promoting but still worth the read. The smart ones are always curious, always questioning... but consultants having to put food on the table have to espouse some sense of knowing and authority. Some know more than others and competition roots that out. I remember a headline this week that blogging is an industry and really good ones make $120K+ per annum. I love academia but academia without applied practice seems irrelevant to me. I enjoyed your article, thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;d enjoy &#8220;The Black Swan&#8221; by Nassim Taleb. A little self promoting but still worth the read. The smart ones are always curious, always questioning&#8230; but consultants having to put food on the table have to espouse some sense of knowing and authority. Some know more than others and competition roots that out. I remember a headline this week that blogging is an industry and really good ones make $120K+ per annum. I love academia but academia without applied practice seems irrelevant to me. I enjoyed your article, thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Good points.  Thanks.

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Good points.  Thanks.</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Bowker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Bowker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article - &quot;consultants&quot; and &quot;experts&quot; who convince customers that they know everything make life difficult for service providers who live in the everyday working world and have to deliver valid real world solutions to real world customers.  Ultimately most of the experts only deliver jargon and generalities and the customers are no further ahead, other than knowing some jargon and generalities.

In over 25 years in the B2B services space I have learned that in fact there are some basic truths, regardless of the buzzword, technology and &quot;expert&quot; flavor of the month.  

Number one is that businesses - and I guess individual consumers as well - need something that will actually work for them where they live and work and this requires a services provider to understand their specific requirements before they pitch  jargon and some latest greatest technology.  Unfortunately &quot;experts&quot; and purveyors of technology often neglect this; real solution providers leverage one to benefit the other.

Number two is that a track record of successfully delivering solutions that work, preferably based on state-of-the-art tools and working knowledge of technology, is worth far more than skilled delivery of jargon and technology theory and so-called &quot;thought leadership&quot;.

These &quot;truths&quot; never change!
Doug Bowker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article &#8211; &#8220;consultants&#8221; and &#8220;experts&#8221; who convince customers that they know everything make life difficult for service providers who live in the everyday working world and have to deliver valid real world solutions to real world customers.  Ultimately most of the experts only deliver jargon and generalities and the customers are no further ahead, other than knowing some jargon and generalities.</p>
<p>In over 25 years in the B2B services space I have learned that in fact there are some basic truths, regardless of the buzzword, technology and &#8220;expert&#8221; flavor of the month.  </p>
<p>Number one is that businesses &#8211; and I guess individual consumers as well &#8211; need something that will actually work for them where they live and work and this requires a services provider to understand their specific requirements before they pitch  jargon and some latest greatest technology.  Unfortunately &#8220;experts&#8221; and purveyors of technology often neglect this; real solution providers leverage one to benefit the other.</p>
<p>Number two is that a track record of successfully delivering solutions that work, preferably based on state-of-the-art tools and working knowledge of technology, is worth far more than skilled delivery of jargon and technology theory and so-called &#8220;thought leadership&#8221;.</p>
<p>These &#8220;truths&#8221; never change!<br />
Doug Bowker</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory,

I don&#039;t suppose &quot;Confused Ape&quot; would fit the bill.

I think that like anything else, you have to manage expectations well and ask good briefing questions.  In my experience, what really impresses clients is your desire and ability to understand and care about their business.  Who do they sell to? Where are they winning, losing, etc.?  

btw.  My latest pet peeve is with ROI.  Now that&#039;s something that gets me steamed even more than &quot;experts.&quot;  You can see it here: 

http://www.digitaltonto.com/2009/quest-for-digital-media-roi/

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t suppose &#8220;Confused Ape&#8221; would fit the bill.</p>
<p>I think that like anything else, you have to manage expectations well and ask good briefing questions.  In my experience, what really impresses clients is your desire and ability to understand and care about their business.  Who do they sell to? Where are they winning, losing, etc.?  </p>
<p>btw.  My latest pet peeve is with ROI.  Now that&#8217;s something that gets me steamed even more than &#8220;experts.&#8221;  You can see it here: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.digitaltonto.com/2009/quest-for-digital-media-roi/" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitaltonto.com/2009/quest-for-digital-media-roi/</a></p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: cory huff</title>
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		<dc:creator>cory huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg. Like Clare I discovered you on LinkedIn. I&#039;ve been thinking not so much about the number of experts out there as how does a true digital professional present themselves to absolute n00bs? Customers want to trust someone and it&#039;s easier to trust someone with &#039;expert&#039; in the title than &#039;ape.&#039; 

Michele Anderson (MediaChick) and I have had this conversation a lot. It&#039;s a little ridiculous to call yourself a social media expert, but what do you call yourself?

Not looking to you for an answer so much as throwing it out to the universe. If you&#039;ve got a really great answer, however, then I&#039;m all ears. 

Oh, and way to use Kant in an essay about digital marketing. Haven&#039;t read Kant since college - time to go back and brush up. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg. Like Clare I discovered you on LinkedIn. I&#8217;ve been thinking not so much about the number of experts out there as how does a true digital professional present themselves to absolute n00bs? Customers want to trust someone and it&#8217;s easier to trust someone with &#8216;expert&#8217; in the title than &#8216;ape.&#8217; </p>
<p>Michele Anderson (MediaChick) and I have had this conversation a lot. It&#8217;s a little ridiculous to call yourself a social media expert, but what do you call yourself?</p>
<p>Not looking to you for an answer so much as throwing it out to the universe. If you&#8217;ve got a really great answer, however, then I&#8217;m all ears. </p>
<p>Oh, and way to use Kant in an essay about digital marketing. Haven&#8217;t read Kant since college &#8211; time to go back and brush up. <img src='http://www.digitaltonto.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.digitaltonto.com/2009/consultant-confused-apes/comment-page-1/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clare,

Shhhh!  Close the door:-)))

- Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clare,</p>
<p>Shhhh!  Close the door:-)))</p>
<p>- Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Clare Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clare Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg
I keep coming across your stuff on linked in and always enjoy it.  I think you are spot on with this one.  An industry full of snake oil salesmen!
However  . . . . . I am starting to suspect you may be a bit of a closet Luddite?

Thanks for a thought provoking start to my morning.

C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg<br />
I keep coming across your stuff on linked in and always enjoy it.  I think you are spot on with this one.  An industry full of snake oil salesmen!<br />
However  . . . . . I am starting to suspect you may be a bit of a closet Luddite?</p>
<p>Thanks for a thought provoking start to my morning.</p>
<p>C</p>
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